mim3 for MIM:

99% thought Lenin nuts too. So what? People learned reality pretty quick in 1917.

mim3 for MIM:
You call that an answer to my question Sensitive? So all you've proved is by not having the MIM line (which believes in purges) you can have more members. So what does that do? Why do you want that? Show us the implications.

For some reason you've decided the line should be Marxist and DSA is irrelevant. OK. So show us among Marxist lines why having numbers matters unless of course you're just insecure and need the reassurance of numbers.
If you are here for psychological comfort, then I understand your meaning already. I was hoping you might have something more to say.

Also, since you showed a willingness to rule out DSA, what about purges? Do you believe in purges? It would seem to me your obsession with party numbers is inherently opposed to purges, and thus Stalin's line. My original hopes for these people here was their pro-Stalin attitude.

This post has been edited by mim3 on Feb 21 2005, 03:52 AM

First of all, your Alexa pagerank of 95,703 measures etext.org, the free webhost you use that provides the same services to dozens of E-Zines, political websites and other content. The rank of 95,703 is cumulative for all of these sites -- for all we know, the MIM section contributes a tiny fraction towards etext.org's overall pagerank. If MIM had its own, unique site, I'd bet ten bucks it wouldn't fall in the top 500,000 sites.

Secondly, even if your site was anywhere near the 95,703 top sites, it would still be around 75,000 sites away from matching the pagerank of the World Socialist Website, which has a pagerank of 20,169. All you can really claim is that you're #1 in Alexa's "socialist websites" category, and even then only by way of a statistical fluke that implies your site has much, much more popularity than it really does.

And no, I'm not claiming "numbers are teh only good thing" or whatever, I'm just pointing out a pretty obvious factual inaccuracy.

No, they did not and neither did 99% of "socialists", while 99% of socialists DO think that about you.

I don't really care about your questions. I am not the one on trial here. You are. Either retratct your false accusations and lies about this forum or just leave and never return. If you do neither of those two, I will consult with the other moderators about whether or not you should be banned for libelling us.


Edit to add: thanks for pointing that out, medyvv.

mim3 for MIM:

More baseless assumption from medyyv--standard for desperate arguments against MIM.

The report says "socialist," not general writing category and the report specifically mentions the MIM part of the etext, by link. Have the integrity to admit it.

If we were getting credit for all etext traffic, we would never fall behind CP=U$A or WWP, which happens from time to time.

It goes to show how desperate people are here.

mim3 for MIM:

LOL!! OK, so now I'm on trial here. OK, you know for sure I am not going to retract what is in black-and-white--namely that some people here have spoken positively of Red Comrades in the past and that one Red Comrade is an admitted FBI informer. Cassius Clay here HAS broken with them in public. Others here had the chance and DID NOT. That's already in black-and-white and it's known as FBI informer sympathizing.

"I have NOOOOO problem with the FBI. And yeah, I definitely did write them
about the little IRS business - and so? I told them about the infiltration
of all conservative groups by such people in Captive Nations - well financed
and well armed. I gave them names and addresses. Why not? These people
were anti-American. Yes, Madole had links to them all. But by the time I
talked to the Feds, Madole was dead."
Source:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.sa...oe=UTF-8&rnum=8

Mind you, that is not the letter sent to the FBI Tampa and CCed to MIM, another FBI informer act by the same Red Comrades that you Sensitive have now belatedly admitted to at least having been in prior contact with--and this despite available public knowledge. I'd think a real Marxist would be interested in that and denouncing the "Red Comrades" and those who defend them. But since you're already tied in, it's a matter of ego or the fact that you are not what you say.

Berserk here is in black-and-white defending distribution of Mussolini by NBP uncriticized. Numerous others here have risen to Berserk's defense. That's called neo-Nazi sympathizing.

I rest my case.

I was trying to leave here, because I'm busy, but you should go to the mods and do what you want to get me banned. I will respect the ban, if it occurs, because it would just be final proof that this is in fact the kind of board I said it was. So go ahead Sensitive and just let the result be known. Free speech for eugenics but not the communists is typical here.

This post has been edited by mim3 on Feb 21 2005, 03:40 AM

What, exactly, are my "baseless assumptions"? I made none. Your website's pagerank is not 95,703 and yours is not the most popular socialist website. And believe me, I don't need "desperate arguments against MIM." You people have proven you're more than capable of discrediting yourselves.

The problem is not only that your website is not the 95,703rd most popular website on the internet, but that it isn't anywhere near being close, according to the exact same website you're relying on, to being the number one socialist website. I've named and linked to at least one explicitly socialist website that is tens of thousands of places ahead of your host, and probably hundreds of thousands of places ahead of your site itself.

And yes, I have the "integrity" to admit that your website is listed, by way of poor categorizing (as your site is clearly not the number one socialist website) and a statistical fluke (as your site's pagerank is clearly not 95,703), as the first in Alexa's list of socialist websites. Congratulations. That proves the supremacy of MIM's website about as much as my banana icecream porn site showing up in a google search proves its teh bestest on teh intarnet.

I'm not sure if you know how Alexa works, but it measures the place, based on traffic, of different websites on the internet. What that means is that two websites can't hold the exact same pagerank, as etext.org and etext.org/mim or whatever currently do. The fact is that the pagerank of MIM is actually that of etext.org, which hosts dozens of political websites similar to yours. I hope you'll have the integrity to admit it.

mim3 for MIM:
And I repeat myself, the "socialist rankings" are not based on page rank for all of etext or we would never fall behind CP=U$A and WWP.

Anyway, it was a good try medyyv. If you applied half as much energy/brain to the FBI informer question, we'd be making some progress here.

Did you even check the fucking link, for god's sake? It was to an independent source on Web traffic, a subsidiary of amazon.com--hardly a hotbed of pro-MIM bias.

Again, as mim3 said, numbers of members or followers are not important. The Demokkkrats have 60 million voters but an imperialist line. The Chinese Communist Party started with a dozen people on a boat but, in less than 50 years, managed to transform China from a horribly poor country oppressed by numerous foreign occupiers and domestic compradors into the most politically advanced society that the world has ever seen.

But it is interesting to note that MIM is the top party in the U$ in terms of readership.

You clearly lack any reasoning skills. People simply read articles on that geocities site, which were copied and pasted from other reputable websites (like Northstar Compass). No one knew that you had any argument with the creator of that site on another e-mail list. No one really cares either, because it is not relevant to having simply read and agreed with material there, which that website's creator had copied and pasted from other sites. Therefore, because none of their material was even original, if someone WERE to agree with that unoriginal material, it obviously does not mean that they agree with the alleged actions of the creator of the "Red Comrades" site who just copied and pasted that stuff onto his site. Secondly, your argument was on an obscure email list. Who knows if it were really true anyway? The guy was probably just trying to fuck with your clearly irrational mind. Therefore, no one here is a "sympathizer" with an alleged "FBI informer".

Even if Berserk did "defend" NBP's right to destribute material of Mussolini, it does not make Berserk a "neo-Nazi" sympathizer. Mussolini was not a Nazi. Anyone could defend NBP's right to distribute whatever material they want too and not agree with the content of what they are distributing. So there is no basis to this other muddled argument of yours.

You do not seem very busy to me. You had over four hours to argue about this. And countless other hours to put idiotic rambling about EG on your pathetic website.

In other words, no evidence will be good for you. You'll always find some excuse to dismiss it so that it won't threaten your illusions with anything as troublesome as reality.

And you call MIM dogmatists!

Even if there were constant DoS attacks, what would that say? That someone found MIM threatening enough to want to censor it. Whereas the other "communist" parties are so tame and so hopeless that censoring them isn't worth the trouble.

Alexa also states that MIM's site has a very fast response time, which seems inconsistent with constant DoS attacks.

But I can't believe I'm wasting my time on these non-materialist phony communists. There's no way to discuss anything with people who are essentially idealist, who substitute their private fantasies for reality.

mim3 for MIM:
This again is an example of how Sensitive deals with evidence. I present evidence for my position and Sensitive calls for me to be banned. Sensitive has no evidence and so fantasizes about how mine might be wrong.

We saw the same thing with the web traffic argument. Instead of just admitting that there might be a point there, and how a whole strategy about public opinion building might indeed stem from small parties, Sensitive came up with the DoS attack etc.

And I'm here telling you that "Red Comrades" cced us on a letter to the Tampa FBI about us. I'm here bringing factual information, and you are just bringing nihilist piss of a Liberal sort aiding police informers.

If I cut and pasted the letter to the FBI, the jerks here would just say the FBI was yanking our chain. The point is no evidence suffices and that IS important, not the numbers in the web traffic report.

And I already (twice) explained why "your evidence" has no relevance to people posting links to articles on their website, which they had copied and pasted from other sites.

"Nihilist"? Now YOU sound like a neo-Nazi.

Again, even though that is not relevant (as I have already explained), care to give proof that they actually did send such a letter to the FBI? How would you really know? Did the FBI forward the letter back to you? Did agents come out and talk to you personally about it? Or did they just post this letter, which they allegedly sent to the FBI, on their email list? If it is only latter, then that is not good enough proof to accuse them of being "FBI informers". And what exactly did this alleged letter "inform" the FBI about? Was it anything that the FBI would not already know, by simply reading your website?

mim3 for MIM:
More willful fantasy instead of facts. Why not go over the articles on the Red Comrades website and PROVE what you are talking about for once!

While you're coming up with blanket fantasies to avoid having to come clean, fantasize about what website they got this article from:
http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/turania.html

And I'll show you it's real ideological source:
"I salute you, my Japanese/Turanian brothers! We have a fight to the death on our hands: nothing less than the TOTAL destruction of the Jewish curse must be our goal."
--Matt in Seattle saluting the "Japanese Nazi Party" also translated by them as "National Socialist Workers Party" on their website

Can you answer the question, yes or no? What the hell have the "C"PU$A, the WWP, the "S"WP, and other "large" U$ parties pretending to be Marxist accomplished? Choose any one party with a few thousand members and tell me exactly what they have accomplished that is so much better than what MIM has done.

You can't--unless you go back about 70 years and point to the CPU$A. And I'd agree with you then, because the CPU$A was the vanguard (MIM did not yet exist, of course) and actually deserved the "C" in its name.

Are you just too thick-headed to see what line means? It means one direction. The "C"PU$A and the like don't even have a line; they have a blob that spreads out all over the place, in practically every direction--including decidedly right-wing ones. That's what they get for concentrating on chalking up more and more members. The best way to do that is to dilute their politics so as to make them palatable to more people. Sure, they're big, but so what? Most of those members don't do shit.

mim3 for MIM:
No, Berserk did not defend the "right" to distribute Mussolini. That was not at stake. And if that were all that was at stake, NBP would have written a thorough criticism of the book for people to study with.

Mussolini was not a Nazi. He was the theoretician behind Nazism as Hitler openly said, so get a grip. Since Hitler's #2 admired Stalin too, admirers of Stalin as in this group also putting forward NBP ideas fit firmly in the Strasser category, --hence neo-Nazi.

In fact, I said "neo-Nazi," but since Strasser was #2 in Hitler's party it could be argued these are straight-up "Nazis."

There are people in this forum in addition to myself who are remaining nameless who have seen NBP recruit openly as neo-Nazi. Can you deal? And what would it take to prove that to you?

This post has been edited by mim3 on Feb 21 2005, 04:42 AM

So what? Who (presumably at ISF, well over a year ago) stated that they fully agreed with that article? And even if someone did, it does not make EG "a haven" of "neo-Nazi sympathizers", if one individual, over an entire year ago at a different message board, truly did fully agree with the above article. Again, you have no basis for your accusations.

Mussolini had an influence upon Hitler, yes. However, what makes Nazism different from Mussolini's Fascism is that Hitler believed in a "master race" and "racial struggle". Mussolini did not believe in either. The National Bolsheviks Party does not believe in "master races" or "racial struggle" either. Therefore, NBP is not a neo-Nazi party, because they lack the two most significant and differentiating Nazi beliefs. The NBP also sells Muammar Qadhafi's The Green Book, so using your same logic, one could also call them "Qadhafists" though that would not be accurate either.

Anyway, all of that is irrelevant, because no one here is a National Bolshevik. Which means that you still have no basis for saying that anyone here is a "neo-Nazi sympathizer".

mim3 for MIM:
So are you taking back your broad-based assertion/fantasy that those articles on the Red Comrades web page came from the likes of Northstar Compass?

Many of their articles DO come from Northstar Compass, the PLP and others. That was a fully truthful statement.