In September 2003, MIM assisted two days in the formation of a discussion board that immediately proved to collaborate consciously with neo-Nazis and FBI-informers. We regret that we can no longer advise use of that board.

The conflict started with regard to a "national anarchist" who has also called himself "neo-fascist" and "national socialist" who is a moderator at another discussion board. After this neo-Nazi moderator posted a poll asking whether you "hate niggers," MIM criticized the board and then left for another board. A handful on the neo-Nazi side also criticized MIM back and in doing so it became clear that there was a network of friends, some of themselves calling themselves "communist" others "racialists" who were intertwined. NOW DEFUNCT: Most of our criticisms of one wing of fascism involved are here. While calling themselves socialist or even communist some of these friends not only refused to criticize the board, but asked for the first expulsion in the board's history--of someone exposing the fascism on the board. MIM was not alone in concluding that the board was overrun by fascists.

Meanwhile, MIM proceeded to assist in building up an alternative board. The original security and anti-fascist rules were posted in the "Introduction" folder and then removed by the board owner. The anti-fascist rules were left in a section of the board for suggestions. We were never given an explanation why the security rules were removed, but the anti-fascist rules came under immediate criticism within the board by someone who presumably initially agreed to them--someone going by the name of "RAF" at the board and at another discussion board called "Che-Lives," which has a history of banning communists who mention support of Stalin. Nonetheless, we at MIM had enthusiastically endorsed inviting him to the new board where he proceeded to expose himself.

To come into conflict with the rules, "RAF" (self-named after the British Air Force) spoke for eugenics and then the "Red Comrades," a "national bolshevik" (which means neo-Nazi) organization for genocide against the Jews and for Stalin. The "RAF" character claims to be a veteran socialist activist opposed to Marx's "withering away of the state" thesis and is a moderator at Che-Lives, supposedly some kind of loyal opposition to the anti-communists. For cover, "RAF" points readers to our Stalin FAQ page while echoing the common Che-Lives anti-communist metaphor that we at MIM are a "Kool Aid cult" akin to the Jim Jones suicide cult that held a religious ceremony in mass suicide. He also often insinuates that he is involved in armed struggle in the imperialist countries.

In the battle against "national anarchism" and "national bolshevism" at the ISF board, "RAF" had very little to say. In fact, he consciously undermined the anti-fascist exposure going on by attacking MIM with one-liner type insults, of no pretended factual substance. This he did to lick the boots of neo-Nazi moderators on that board while they were brewing over expulsions. The neo-Nazi moderators won the day, because the threat of expulsion was enough to quiet criticism of racism and fascism on the board by belly-crawlers like "RAF." Meanwhile, another handful of people continued to agitate in support of the MIM line or anti-fascism generally, but this handful had no moderator status or ownership of the board.

Still, "RAF"'s cover came off fully at the new discussion board MIM initially worked on. After comments for eugenics and neo-Nazis, MIM confronted "RAF" with police informers and found "RAF" to promote those as well. Below we summarize some of the evidence of the conflict. For quite some time, MIM had informed comrades about the "Red Comrades" here.

Reasons given by the moderators for uncritically supporting the Florida-based "Red Comrades"

1. "Whats wrong with passing the pipe around? What you fail to realise is that many cops are bad, but not all of them. They do what they can to protect people because thats what they've decided to do with their lives."

"Doesn't MIM have things like CAPITALISM and IMPERIALISM farther at the top of the "destroy list" than some idiot little group."

2. "What anti-communism are you talking about?"

3. "RAF": "I came to the conclusion you were a nutter quite some time ago kid. I'm only arsed with it now because you are attempting to recruit an impressionable 17 year old into your cult."

"Here is an excellent site that has many articles that can aid you in your fight against revisionism, trotskyism and Fanatical crypto-trot organisations masquerading as Maoists. "

http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/

"What a moron.

http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/

http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/

http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/

Whoops! my hand must have slipped! "

Reasons for criticizing Florida-based "Red Comrades" and not working with them

1. Red Comrades leader Tani Jantsang (Nakived) said: "I have NOOOOO problem with the FBI."

"I gave them names and addresses. Why not? These people were anti-American. "

Reference for above here.

2. Confronted with her extreme lies, Tani Jantsang of "Red Comrades" said,

"Do I lie and deceive people I'd sooner spit on? Yes. WOW."

Reference for above here. This was in connection to a post of hers that also called for gassing Jews.

She is on written record as saying she is in the Church of Satan (COS). She also swore up and down to the COS for years that she never used that association while conducting her activities. For this she is now being called on the carpet.

Of course, the calling out is in the language of how she's not a real Satanist (instead of not a good communist) who is too old and can't adjust to sex or make money right--those kinds of things. The character "Prole" defends Tani Jantsang.

This FBI informer is who you will reach if you actually send an email to the "Red Comrades" as listed on their web page.

3. http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/turania.html is a clue people. Notice how it says Russia was not even a country before the Soviet Union. The point is to create a huge mythological people called "Turanians" as a huge national myth to stir up ethnic/racial hatreds. The point of a Turanian USSR was propagated by Russian exiles in Western Europe, including Prince Trubetskoy.

The point is to admit Stalin's progress, huge progress, but to bring forward a nationalist myth to take credit for the progress of Stalin. That's why you will find that "Red Comrades" authors never had time for Das Kapital--no classes, no modes of production, no decadent imperialist era, unlike Stalin who upheld Lenin's theory of imperialism.

That's why they're called "national bolsheviks." They hate the international solidarity of the exploited and super-exploited toilers. They seek to convince the Third World toilers to each go their own national mythological road instead of uniting against imperialism. The national bolsheviks saw the use of ideas like "Aryan Race" and various other myths.

In place of economics, they offer eugenics, which to them, like RAF, includes all of biology. Tell them the Chinese abort female girls for reasons of economics, and they go on spouting how abortion is for "eugenics." (Go to the following thread if you want to defend eugenics anyone.) http://www.sovietrevolution.com/OLDFORUMS/viewtopic.php?t=838

If you do a search on the Internet, the only linkage of +Stalin +Turania or Stalin and Turania --the only articles on this subject come from "Red Comrades." You will not find any MIM, Northstarcompass or RevolutionaryDemocracy discussion linking Stalin and Turanians or any achievements of the Soviet Union to Turanians.

If you are attracted to this sort of website, you are already looking for your own ethnic pride for the same reason Amerikkkans often support theocracy in Tibet, because of the materialism of their own society.

And RAF, what is YOUR explanation for the above "Red Comrades" article, if I might be so rude, er, "fanatic" to ask? Quite a seasoned veteran you are, eh.

4. "CAPITALISM" and "IMPERIALISM" are just words. What are you going to do--run around and cut them out from every Internet dictionary and declare your work done?

Fascists and cops are the real world of capitalism and imperialism. But hey, it's a lot more fun to get together with your friends, pass the pipe and yell out one-liners with no relevance to anything.

5. We at MIM are not going to be working on building this website. Although I worked feverishly to build this website as an alternative to the others out there, we stopped recruiting for it when it became apparent that the moderators' friendship with each other and others at ISF is more important than applying communist principles in the real world.

The moderators except for Hampton here have also made the choice to support an organization called "Red Comrades" that has informed on MIM to the FBI and spoken for the gassing of Jews. The moderators' excuse is that these kind of fascists are rare, but you are not going to find many genuine communist organizations willing to work with people consciously promoting FBI-informers. "Gosh, it's only one or two or three police informers," isn't going to cut it with anyone serious.

In the best possible interpretation, the moderators' (except Hampton) insults and one-liners often inaccurate and always irrelevant stem from a cult-like conformity of friendship combined with society's standard Liberalism and the ill communist movement's revisionism.

I apologize for this start-and-stop action to the serious people here. I appreciated the contributions of some people here. I feel bad for Jaakko, Hampton and others I was in favor of recruiting to be here. I take the blame for misjudging this forum.

Below are the original rules the forum agreed to work with

Here is a pointer on security:
ONLY SUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST USING AN ANONYMOUS EMAIL ADDRESS for security reasons, unless of course you _want_ to be tracked/intimidated/jailed/killed by the government. People talking about the social background of other participants or otherwise deemed carrying out cop investigations will be banned.

Here are the rules:

Halt! If you are in the following categories of people, please debate elsewhere. You will post your offending comments only to see them deleted, so why not post them somewhere else where they will be tolerated, like at www.socialistfront.org?

*If you think white racism and national chauvinism in the world are equal to the racism of Black, Brown, Yellow and Red people as the world exists. If you take a "neutral" stance on racism or national chauvinism as if crimes were equal on both sides between oppressors and oppressed.
*If you do not agree that there is no such thing as Black, Yellow, Red or Brown racial oppression of whites unbacked by dominant power. e.g.
1)The Bakke affirmative action case and "reverse racism" was not racial oppression or "reverse racism" at all, because Blacks in the united $tates do not have the power to enforce racial oppression.

2)Living in Japan as a non-Japanese might involve racial or national oppression, because there the Japanese through their government have the power to enforce it.

3)It is possible to perpetrate white national chauvinism with a Yellow, Red, Brown or Black skin. That's why the term "Uncle Tom" exists.

*If you cannot actively condemn any of the following--Nazis, neo- Nazis, racists, eugenics-supporters. If you would offer links to the above without condemnation and criticism. If you have spent more time defending the "liberties" of the above than the liberties of the Black, Yellow, Red and Brown communists.
*If you support Limonov or "national bolshevism."
*If you support or link uncritically to "RedComrades."
*If you cannot actively condemn Brezhnev for the "yellow peril" propaganda against Mao's China that publicly warned Europe of the coming "hordes" of Chinese that the Soviet Union was going to protect Europe from.

We are not saying that you may never join this forum, but you must prioritize these issues and struggle over them elsewhere. When you agree with the above positions, you may post here unless we find that in practice you do not agree with these positions.

In addition, we may also decide on an ad hoc basis to delete your contributions if we feel they uphold a double standard of racism and if that becomes explicit in the forum discussion. e.g.,
*If you defend Trotsky with a standard that only applies to Stalin because Trotsky was of the "highest European culture."
*If you criticize Mao with a double standard that you would not apply to Stalin. This may come out in the process of discussion at the forum.
When challenged on the above we expect prompt replies or that may be basis to be deleted by itself.